- Nov 12, 2018
I happen to of lived and breathed this city for 31 years, born and grown - So as far as i've travelled, if you have ever left this country - You'll note there is much more to offer elsewhere. London is complex in its bus operations and contractual tendering set up, in terms of size. NO.I'm afraid I don't know where you get your information from but London is well known to be one of the largest cities in Europe by population and area. The fact you can see central London from St Albans says nothing as you could say that people on the ISS can see central London.
2022 is on Beijing, however the commonwealth games are during 2022.
"Mate", I will continue to say it because it appears that many people - yourself included - haven't quite got a grip of the reality of the situation yet.Mate are you going to come up with something new to say? Comments like this have been said over and over again and it is incredibly boring to hear.
London isnt that big, you can see Central London from St Albans. Berlin however is massive.
Lol. London (1569 sq. km) is almost 60% bigger than Berlin (984 sq. km), what are you talking about?I happen to of lived and breathed this city for 31 years, born and grown - So as far as i've travelled, if you have ever left this country - You'll note there is much more to offer elsewhere. London is complex in its bus operations and contractual tendering set up, in terms of size. NO.
And, Mr Miles, my information comes from experienced bus drivers who have done the rail replacement routes, cab drivers whom i've worked with, who know the place backwards; not that I have to explain myself to you all here, but I have worked in and out of London's buses for a number of years so I do know what I am talking about............Most car journeys take 20 minutes on a clear day, so surely, not a big place....
But as with this addon, again, any information is quickly shut down or stepped upon, half of you aren't even from here - or know a thing or two about the place to even comment, a lot of it is frustration because it's not out yet. We all know its long, but that's a project management lesson, next big project, hopefully will be handled better. But I enjoy reading the petty arguments here, you all are quite entertaining.
There are other "really enjoyable to drive" maps which weren't delayed by 3 years.ah ok, it was a tongue in cheek comment though but good to know, I have nothing but respect for ANY content maker and like many others am patiently waiting to see what new maps/buses come along to enhance ALL our playability, like a few have mentioned I don't know why people have to pass the same (or similar) comments over and over, but would you want a rushed map that looks cack or a really enjoyable to drive one? no brainer for me, keep up the good work all who produce content for us.
This is true but most maps have been delayed (botw, keedlestone to name just 2) but you also have to understand that these are being produced in peoples SPARE time, so sometimes life gets in the wayThere are other "really enjoyable to drive" maps which weren't delayed by 3 years.
The thing is with London is that I'm so hyped but I can't even afford itI will admit that I was more hyped last year for it and that has reduced significantly over the recent months until I was able to see the progress. Now I'm hyped again. It'll be worth the wait, trust me... and it won't be 2025 (or later for the miseries that will prb comment)
I've thought about possibly having London as a dependency for the london-spec stuff we do, but at this point I have no clue. Probably end up making our own stuff, since our relationship with Rhys is not 100%..btw how are MS making a London variant when rhys has done his own one already are they gonna work together merging features or what cause we cant have two of the same bus by two different people
I don't really blame you but lets hope London is out by the time you do your own London spec G3I've thought about possibly having London as a dependency for the london-spec stuff we do, but at this point I have no clue. Probably end up making our own stuff, since our relationship with Rhys is not 100%..
I agree we all know it wouldn't be a quick job obviously all I think the community wants is to know and see what is left to do to the addon as we have heard the phrase more news to follow shortly a few times now and bare in mind we aren't saying where are the updates for the sake of it we are saying that because the last time Rhys gave development pictures himself was in November last year we are now approaching September in two days time so therefore it has been 10 months since he showed us something and just over a year since he updated us on what needs finishing and how its going so I think we have the right to say what's still left as I'm sure it cant be hard to answer that's it really as for what we want as a community from him it cant be that much can it?An addon like this is normal to take a loooong time. There are many factors to consider:
TL;DR this addon is the OMSI equivalent to Russia in size. It is entirely normal to take so much time to develop. Probably Rhys or Aerosoft, whoever was responsible, shouldnt have announced a release date if there was still that much to do, the good old "its released when its released" would have been better. But before you criticize and start saying the addon is dead etc etc, you should think on how much effort is required to make such an enormous addon. Whenever this is released it will be surely worth the wait.
- It is one of the biggest maps ever made for OMSI, in size, complexity and quality. IMO the only map with a similar scale is Manly Act Three. That map has been in development since 2016, and if you count the entire Manly project since Act One, it started in 2011-12. So you have an idea of the gargantuan job that is to create such a big map.
- In addition to its size, it is a real map. Usually, real maps are way harder to make than fictional ones. This is for obvious reasons: in a fictional map you have full control over what you put on it, you could use default scenery or available scenery created by other developers; while a real map is based on a real city, so if you want your map to have a top tier quality you cannot just use generic assets. So you have to create a whole bunch of new scenery, which involves taking photos of the real thing, modelling, texturing and many other things that people who actually work on map creation know much more than me.
- There is a big job behind just creating the objects of the map: tracks, lines and timetables. To make a single line you need to be continously clicking tracks all the way from start to finish, then create the timetables: how will the line run each day, will it run only Mo-Fr or only weekends, will it be a day or night service, will it stop in every stop or it is an express, etc etc. That is only ONE line; maps the size of London can have like 20 or 30 lines or maybe even more, idk how many are planned for this one but i am probably not too far.
- Then you need to make the route helpers, because there are a lot of people that cannot drive without them (and you really need them at least for the first few runs). From my little knowledge, station links can make it easier since they apparently follow the tracks used by the line. But i do not know if these support customization, like changing the textures of the route arrows and the stop signs. If they dont, it means that if you want the helpers to be more customized (like in Yorkshire Counties, for example) you would need to manually place the route helpers... for every stop and every road that is used by at least one line.
- And finally: this addon not only features the London map, which is already enough. In addition to the map, there are several buses in development to be released with the addon. Think about that: an entire fleet of new bus models. EACH ONE of these can take several months or even years to make.