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<blockquote data-quote="BKG93" data-source="post: 134805" data-attributes="member: 14656"><p>iBus and the red tolerance are just some of the strict conditions TfL impose. There's loads of conditions, and has been for a long time.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is the key point for me is cost. London's fleet compared to the rest of the country is mostly made up of new, environmentally friendly buses. This is in part down to investments by each company. If Transport for London were to run the buses, they wouldn't have the money available to fund the amount of new buses London has, so we would most likely still see full diesel buses in Central London. Its a similar question to the "should trains be renationalised?" and the short answer is no, the investment private companies put into both the railways and buses in London cannot be matched by government departments. Added onto that the way TfLs finances have been managed in recent years, the financial strain at this moment in time would most certainly be too much.</p><p></p><p>Its also not just about London, as a lot of London's vehicles make their way to other divisions of their companies. It allows withdrawal of older vehicles in other parts of the country for newer (if only slightly) vehicles from London to take their place. How would a change in London affect this? Transport for London certainly wouldn't give buses away for free at the end of their London life so where would the incentive be to regionalise ex-London vehicles?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't see how the two would need to be linked (Oyster and iBus), what is it that Berlin does?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd love to know how 1 bus removes 100+ cars off the road, when a DD at full capacity takes between 70-90 people and thats not including anyone who came with someone else, as well as the fact that not every bus is crammed full xD Although having 90 on a bus is a thing of the past at present.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BKG93, post: 134805, member: 14656"] iBus and the red tolerance are just some of the strict conditions TfL impose. There's loads of conditions, and has been for a long time. This is the key point for me is cost. London's fleet compared to the rest of the country is mostly made up of new, environmentally friendly buses. This is in part down to investments by each company. If Transport for London were to run the buses, they wouldn't have the money available to fund the amount of new buses London has, so we would most likely still see full diesel buses in Central London. Its a similar question to the "should trains be renationalised?" and the short answer is no, the investment private companies put into both the railways and buses in London cannot be matched by government departments. Added onto that the way TfLs finances have been managed in recent years, the financial strain at this moment in time would most certainly be too much. Its also not just about London, as a lot of London's vehicles make their way to other divisions of their companies. It allows withdrawal of older vehicles in other parts of the country for newer (if only slightly) vehicles from London to take their place. How would a change in London affect this? Transport for London certainly wouldn't give buses away for free at the end of their London life so where would the incentive be to regionalise ex-London vehicles? I don't see how the two would need to be linked (Oyster and iBus), what is it that Berlin does? I'd love to know how 1 bus removes 100+ cars off the road, when a DD at full capacity takes between 70-90 people and thats not including anyone who came with someone else, as well as the fact that not every bus is crammed full xD Although having 90 on a bus is a thing of the past at present. [/QUOTE]
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