Difference between ADL and Transbus Enviro 300?

fnafboy10

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Whats the difference of Alexander Dennis and Transbus Enviro 300?
 
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BritishRail60062

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i mean the enviro 300 trans bus
Nothing really. Tranbus introduced the Enviro 300 in 2002 as a new vehicle to intentionally replace the ALX300. Although the ALX300 was kept in production until mid-2007 and the Enviro 300 had a major design change in that year and was available on the MAN chassis as well as the usual Cummins/Dennis chassis like the Mk1 was. Transbus went bust in mid-2004 due to a major in-house disagreement with the management and the remains of Plaxton, Alexander and Dennis was bought out by three Scottish businessmen and a new company in the name of Alexander-Dennis was formed in late 2004 and they inherited all the assets from the UK side of Transbus and all post-2004 buses are branded as Alexander-Dennis. The Enviro 400 was introduced in 2005 in London and Birmingham and replaced the Alexander ALX400 in late 2006.
 
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Nothing really. Tranbus introduced the Enviro 300 in 2002 as a new vehicle to intentionally replace the ALX300. Although the ALX300 was kept in production until mid-2007 and the Enviro 300 had a major design change in that year and was available on the MAN chassis as well as the usual Cummins/Dennis chassis like the Mk1 was. Transbus went bust in mid-2004 due to a major in-house disagreement with the management and the remains of Plaxton, Alexander and Dennis was bought out by three Scottish businessmen and a new company in the name of Alexander-Dennis was formed in late 2004 and they inherited all the assets from the UK side of Transbus and all post-2004 buses are branded as Alexander-Dennis. The Enviro 400 was introduced in 2005 in London and Birmingham and replaced the Alexander ALX400 in late 2006.
Wrong. Plaxton was sold off, and the remaining companies were moved into Alexander Dennis, as stated in a comment I made before, below:
Nope, simply company name. Transbus covered Dennis, Plaxton and Alexander manufacturing companies. When Transbus when into administration in May 2004, Plaxton was sold off, and the remaining two companies (Alexander and Dennis) were bought by some chap, who continued them as Alexander Dennis Limited.

ADL never altered designs from when they were part of Transbus, and up until the introduction of the E20D chassis, they still continued to use their name and design for the darts, so I see no reason why this would be different for the ALX's.
 
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whistlehead

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Wrong. Plaxton was sold off, and the remaining companies were moved into Alexander Dennis, as stated in a comment I made before, below:
You say that, but their independence only lasted a couple of years - they were very quickly bought out by ADL (soon after launching the Centro and Primo). Their own bus range was soon discontinued in favour of ADL's Enviro range and they are now the dedicated coach-building arm of the company, though I believe their Scarborough factory also assembles a fair few Enviros on the side.

The E200 and E400 were both new designs introduced two years after the formation of ADL, so I'm not sure where your claims that they never changed Transbus designs are coming from. Yes the chassis was (initally) unchanged from the Trident, but the body and dash were all new.

I'd also like to point out that one of the "Chaps"/"Three Scottish Businessmen" who bought the remains of Transbus was called Ann ;) Brian Souter's sibling Ann Gloag, co founder of SC though she now has little to do with the company and spends most of her time on charitable work. The pair of them hold a 55% stake between them in ADL, leading to the common misconception that SC/Brian Souter owns ADL.

As to the original question, the Transbus E300 was a lightweight, full-size, integral bodied single decker featuring the same (imo quite handsome) revised body design as the original Enviro 500. The ADL E300 was both a fully integral bus which directly replaced - and was largely based on - the Transbus E300 (though with the new 2006 Enviro-family front end design), and a heavywight single decker body produced for the Scania K230UB, MAN A69/18.240 and (rarely) Volvo B7RLE chassis. Both were ditched with the introduction of the MMC series as heavyweight single deckers have largely fallen out of favour in the UK, and with the introduction of a longer version of the Enviro 200 the integral version had become redundant as a separate product.
 

lubukesh

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On a side note, ADL continued the original shape "Transbus" style E300 until 2009 and the original Dart SLF until 2007, both badged as Alexander Dennis. Up until around 2011 Enviro200s were "Dart 4 SLF".
 
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enviro300

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And there is a little difference between the original Transbus E300 and the Transbus-Shaped E300 of ADL, for example the front lights, seen on that buses of Richard Bros. and them of Stagecoach, on the Diamond Routes.