BotW3

Jun 28, 2018
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Lol. You must admit they are doing a great job. Are they still merging Cotterell and BoTW together? Or is that just going to be a massive lag bomb?
No, I don't think they are. (although a 100 mile motorway section would sound like a lot of fun)
From what I know, they're going to release BotW v3 for free on Steam. :)
Then, they're going to release an extension for Cotterell, and another for BotW v3 also on Steam, but as payware.
I don't know if this is still accurate today, the info I have is from a few months ago.
 
Jun 28, 2018
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Tree,Tree,Tree,Tree,Bad Toyota Prius Driver,Tree,Tree,Tree,Tree,Car going wrong way on the motorway,Tree,Tree,Tree,Tree
You get the point...
It was kind of a joke... lol
But yeah you are right.
On the other hand though, a map where you can actually use the Levante would be good. :)
 

UKDT

UKDT
Apr 1, 2016
17
We have now completed the roadways and first draft scenery for the map. Please find below a whole.roadmap, which has been generously annotated by @0118999 showing street names and locales.

You may notice that street names and some locales have been changed. Given that this is virtually a whole new map (there is only one tiny section that lives from BotW 2.9), we felt we may as well start afresh with the names. Of course, Paignton, Totnes and Berry Pomeroy are key features so we have not renamed them. The names you see are fictionalized versions of real life equivalents. Now unfortunately this does mean that text on some repaints may become incorrect, as could some destie mods - for this we apologize - and remind you that if you want to provide new versions in the future, that you should clearly mark them for BotW 2.9 or 3.

Regarding routes - this is still not finalized, however we have a good idea of where we're going with this:

  • 35: Totnes Rail Station <-> Paignton Promenade, via: Totnes Bus Station (located on Convent Avenue), Totnes School of Technology and the Arts (TSTA)(Castle Roundabout), Berry Pomeroy, Thornford Regis, Paignton Royal Hospital, Totnes Road

  • X35: Totnes Bus Station <-> Paignton Promenade, via: TSTA, Paignton Royal Hospital (direct), South Beach Junction

  • P+R: Paignton Park & Ride <-> Paignton Promenade, via South Beach Junction

  • 12: Paignton Promenade <-> Stoneley Harbour

  • 323: Totnes Castle <-> Morrisons Supermarket (Totnes), via: Totnes Bus Station and Totnes Rail Station
As mentioned above, as usual this is a free release. We are looking to release it both on Steam and on here. At some point in the future, we will be adding further routes as part of a payware expansion. When this happens, the free version will also be updated and will receive one or two new routes as well. To remind you, we dropped the idea of linking Cotterell with BotW many, many, many months ago as it would be a huge undertaking.

We have also built into the map the facilities for pickup and set down at schools throughout the map, so we may consider scheduling in school services as well. Of course, there are plenty of landmarks in the map, so you can always create your own charter trips if you wish. Totnes Castle, and Berry Pomeroy (Gateway to the moors) are two suggested destinations. The seafront at Paignton has many hotels, and there are caravan parks dotting the route down to Stoneley.

Regarding further development: Although the roads are now in place along with the scenery, we are still very much in the early stages. The scenery is only of first draft quality, there's a much higher standard we want to get from this map, and there are many tasks left to complete - retexturing buildings, pathing everything, bug fixing, signage, custom assets and so on.

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Jun 28, 2018
1,108
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We have now completed the roadways and first draft scenery for the map. Please find below a whole.roadmap, which has been generously annotated by @0118999 showing street names and locales.

You may notice that street names and some locales have been changed. Given that this is virtually a whole new map (there is only one tiny section that lives from BotW 2.9), we felt we may as well start afresh with the names. Of course, Paignton, Totnes and Berry Pomeroy are key features so we have not renamed them. The names you see are fictionalized versions of real life equivalents. Now unfortunately this does mean that text on some repaints may become incorrect, as could some destie mods - for this we apologize - and remind you that if you want to provide new versions in the future, that you should clearly mark them for BotW 2.9 or 3.

Regarding routes - this is still not finalized, however we have a good idea of where we're going with this:

  • 35: Totnes Rail Station <-> Paignton Promenade, via: Totnes Bus Station (located on Convent Avenue), Totnes School of Technology and the Arts (TSTA)(Totnes Castle Roundabout), Berry Pomeroy, Thornford Regis, Paignton Royal Hospital, Totnes Road

  • X35: Totnes Bus Station <-> Paignton Promenade, via: TSTA, Paignton Royal Hospital (direct), West Beach Junction

  • P+R: Paignton Park & Ride <-> Paignton Promenade, via West Beach Junction

  • 12: Paignton Promenade <-> Stoneley Harbour

  • 323: Totnes Castle <-> Morrisons Supermarket (Totnes), via: Totnes Bus Station and Totnes Rail Station
As mentioned above, as usual this is a free release. We are looking to release it both on Steam and on here. At some point in the future, we will be adding further routes as part of a payware expansion. When this happens, the free version will also be updated and will receive one or two new routes as well. To remind you, we dropped the idea of linking Cotterell with BotW many, many, many months ago as it would be a huge undertaking.

We have also built into the map the facilities for pickup and set down at schools throughout the map, so we may consider scheduling in school services as well. Of course, there are plenty of landmarks in the map, so you can always create your own charter trips if you wish. Totnes Castle, and Berry Pomeroy (Gateway to the moors) are two suggested destinations. The seafront at Paignton has many hotels, and there are caravan parks dotting the route down to Stoneley.

Regarding further development: Although the roads are now in place along with the scenery, we are still very much in the early stages. The scenery is only of first draft quality, there's a much higher standard we want to get from this map, and there are many tasks left to complete - retexturing buildings, pathing everything, bug fixing, signage, custom assets and so on.

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Absolutely outstanding! :eek:
I honestly love every bit of it!
Although you have covered a lot of questions I had, I do have a few questions left to ask you. :)
  1. The map seems huge now! I know it's more than one route, but even the 35 route alone seems longer – is it?
  2. The motorway that goes across the picture, will it become usable? If not, I don't really see the point in making it stretch across the entire map, unless it's just for RP purposes for people who, say, want to use the Levante.
  3. At the beginning of Fulleylove's stream on BotW v3 [6:00], he started off the journey from the small town called Lymequay. Is there no Stoneley Bus Station or something similar to that, or is that Lymequay?
  4. From what I have gathered, Colstead is supposed to be the fictionalised version of Bridgetown, Thornford Regis is Collaton St. Mary (just further away from Paignton), South Beach is Torre Abbey Sands (in Torquay, in real life), Ferncombe is Goodrington, Rodwick Down is Churston, and Stoneley is Brixham – is this correct?
  5. I couldn't find Paignton Zoo or Tweenaway Cross on the map. Were they cut?
  6. Also, I'd like to see where the River Dart would be on this map. In real life, it flows through Totnes, and then south-east, passing Stoke Gabriel, Dittisham and Dartmouth and then it leads into the sea at Kingswear. Since the map of BotW v3 is very much re-arranged from real life, I'd like to see where it would be. I have drawn the water onto the map and rotated it, and I would like to know if my assumption is correct.
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And also, can I just say – I love the way you actually named practically every single street on the map! Wow!
But those questions aside, I absolutely love the current BotW, and I use the route in real life all the time (just yesterday in fact), BotW v3 is looking absolutely astonishing, I'm really looking forward to being able to drive on all the routes.
Thank you very much, UKDT, for making this outstanding map.
 

georgeloxton02

I am making a Plaxton Premiere!
Apr 20, 2018
657
We have now completed the roadways and first draft scenery for the map. Please find below a whole.roadmap, which has been generously annotated by @0118999 showing street names and locales.

You may notice that street names and some locales have been changed. Given that this is virtually a whole new map (there is only one tiny section that lives from BotW 2.9), we felt we may as well start afresh with the names. Of course, Paignton, Totnes and Berry Pomeroy are key features so we have not renamed them. The names you see are fictionalized versions of real life equivalents. Now unfortunately this does mean that text on some repaints may become incorrect, as could some destie mods - for this we apologize - and remind you that if you want to provide new versions in the future, that you should clearly mark them for BotW 2.9 or 3.

Regarding routes - this is still not finalized, however we have a good idea of where we're going with this:

  • 35: Totnes Rail Station <-> Paignton Promenade, via: Totnes Bus Station (located on Convent Avenue), Totnes School of Technology and the Arts (TSTA)(Totnes Castle Roundabout), Berry Pomeroy, Thornford Regis, Paignton Royal Hospital, Totnes Road

  • X35: Totnes Bus Station <-> Paignton Promenade, via: TSTA, Paignton Royal Hospital (direct), West Beach Junction

  • P+R: Paignton Park & Ride <-> Paignton Promenade, via West Beach Junction

  • 12: Paignton Promenade <-> Stoneley Harbour

  • 323: Totnes Castle <-> Morrisons Supermarket (Totnes), via: Totnes Bus Station and Totnes Rail Station
As mentioned above, as usual this is a free release. We are looking to release it both on Steam and on here. At some point in the future, we will be adding further routes as part of a payware expansion. When this happens, the free version will also be updated and will receive one or two new routes as well. To remind you, we dropped the idea of linking Cotterell with BotW many, many, many months ago as it would be a huge undertaking.

We have also built into the map the facilities for pickup and set down at schools throughout the map, so we may consider scheduling in school services as well. Of course, there are plenty of landmarks in the map, so you can always create your own charter trips if you wish. Totnes Castle, and Berry Pomeroy (Gateway to the moors) are two suggested destinations. The seafront at Paignton has many hotels, and there are caravan parks dotting the route down to Stoneley.

Regarding further development: Although the roads are now in place along with the scenery, we are still very much in the early stages. The scenery is only of first draft quality, there's a much higher standard we want to get from this map, and there are many tasks left to complete - retexturing buildings, pathing everything, bug fixing, signage, custom assets and so on.

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This is looking stunning! I cant wait to drive around this huge map! I also love that there are places for charter trips meaning there is finally a use for the Levante & my upcoming plaxton pack!
 

UKDT

UKDT
Apr 1, 2016
17
@leyland -

1: No, but it is slower owing to a bit more twisting and turning it has to do.
2: The DC was going to be utilized in this version, but as it'll take ages to sort out, that'll be for later so we've just left it in for now.
3: Correct, remember the names of all but tot, pgn, and bpm have all been changed.
4: Pretty much, yes.
5: Tweenaway Cross has had its name changed, and the junction converted into a roundabout with flyover.
6: The map is a good effort, but you are forgetting a few things: BotW is a fictionalized parody of the area, it's not really supposed to accurately reflect the geography or topography past a 'general theme'. You've already correctly noticed that the map isn't even oriented correctly. In addition, you wouldn't really see that water from the route anyway.

However, what I can say on that is the 525 route for the next version will be your garden variety C-road type of route which will run roughly to where the River Dart is in your map and eventually end up at Stoneley. We'd be putting a few callbacks to the likes of Kingswear and Greenway House along the way.
 

0118999

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Oct 24, 2016
530
  1. From what I have gathered, Colstead is supposed to be the fictionalised version of Bridgetown, Thornford Regis is Collaton St. Mary (just further away from Paignton), South Beach is Torre Abbey Sands (in Torquay, in real life), Ferncombe is Goodrington, Rodwick Down is Churston, and Stoneley is Brixham – is this correct?
And also, can I just say – I love the way you actually named practically every single street on the map! Wow!
Whilst BOTW is West Country themed and inspired it's evolved over many years from a fictional base, thus the decision was taken to rename most places, especially those that have been heavily changed over previous versions, as the road arrangements and topography aren't always directly relatable to any real life places, although they maybe representative of somewhere that inspired them.

Try not to get too hung up tying these fictional places into reality, especially individual streets, but broadly:
  • Colstead is Bridgetown mixed in with Shiner's Bridge and Follaton
  • Thornford Regis is the name C C Benison gave to the fictionalised Stoke Gabriel in his novels.
  • Palemount is where White Hill was in BOTW2 but is much changed.
  • As Iomex said, Tweenaway is now Middant and Collaton St Mary has kinda merged into that.
  • Ferncombe, Rodwick Down and Stoneley you deduced correctly.
  • Lymequay is hiding away in a corner of the map!

Do note the map is provisional alpha and subject to change; side roads will come and go or be renamed as the character of them evolves (you will note West Beach junction is by South Beach o_O)
 
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junaidstarz

Junaid sheeraz
Oct 20, 2016
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We have now completed the roadways and first draft scenery for the map. Please find below a whole.roadmap, which has been generously annotated by @0118999 showing street names and locales.

You may notice that street names and some locales have been changed. Given that this is virtually a whole new map (there is only one tiny section that lives from BotW 2.9), we felt we may as well start afresh with the names. Of course, Paignton, Totnes and Berry Pomeroy are key features so we have not renamed them. The names you see are fictionalized versions of real life equivalents. Now unfortunately this does mean that text on some repaints may become incorrect, as could some destie mods - for this we apologize - and remind you that if you want to provide new versions in the future, that you should clearly mark them for BotW 2.9 or 3.

Regarding routes - this is still not finalized, however we have a good idea of where we're going with this:

  • 35: Totnes Rail Station <-> Paignton Promenade, via: Totnes Bus Station (located on Convent Avenue), Totnes School of Technology and the Arts (TSTA)(Totnes Castle Roundabout), Berry Pomeroy, Thornford Regis, Paignton Royal Hospital, Totnes Road

  • X35: Totnes Bus Station <-> Paignton Promenade, via: TSTA, Paignton Royal Hospital (direct), West Beach Junction

  • P+R: Paignton Park & Ride <-> Paignton Promenade, via West Beach Junction

  • 12: Paignton Promenade <-> Stoneley Harbour

  • 323: Totnes Castle <-> Morrisons Supermarket (Totnes), via: Totnes Bus Station and Totnes Rail Station
As mentioned above, as usual this is a free release. We are looking to release it both on Steam and on here. At some point in the future, we will be adding further routes as part of a payware expansion. When this happens, the free version will also be updated and will receive one or two new routes as well. To remind you, we dropped the idea of linking Cotterell with BotW many, many, many months ago as it would be a huge undertaking.

We have also built into the map the facilities for pickup and set down at schools throughout the map, so we may consider scheduling in school services as well. Of course, there are plenty of landmarks in the map, so you can always create your own charter trips if you wish. Totnes Castle, and Berry Pomeroy (Gateway to the moors) are two suggested destinations. The seafront at Paignton has many hotels, and there are caravan parks dotting the route down to Stoneley.

Regarding further development: Although the roads are now in place along with the scenery, we are still very much in the early stages. The scenery is only of first draft quality, there's a much higher standard we want to get from this map, and there are many tasks left to complete - retexturing buildings, pathing everything, bug fixing, signage, custom assets and so on.

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will you give us a drive preview of the current state of the map?
 

bradthelad03

Member
Dec 24, 2016
52
I think the idea of having school routes would be great as it would make a change to driving public routes and it would be really fun, i cant wait to drive this map it looks and sounds stunning keep up the good work UKTD :)
 
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–UKDT–

@leyland -

1: No, but it is slower owing to a bit more twisting and turning it has to do.
2: The DC was going to be utilized in this version, but as it'll take ages to sort out, that'll be for later so we've just left it in for now.
3: Correct, remember the names of all but tot, pgn, and bpm have all been changed.
4: Pretty much, yes.
5: Tweenaway Cross has had its name changed, and the junction converted into a roundabout with flyover.
6: The map is a good effort, but you are forgetting a few things: BotW is a fictionalized parody of the area, it's not really supposed to accurately reflect the geography or topography past a 'general theme'. You've already correctly noticed that the map isn't even oriented correctly. In addition, you wouldn't really see that water from the route anyway.

However, what I can say on that is the 525 route for the next version will be your garden variety C-road type of route which will run roughly to where the River Dart is in your map and eventually end up at Stoneley. We'd be putting a few callbacks to the likes of Kingswear and Greenway House along the way.
–0118999–

Whilst BOTW is West Country themed and inspired it's evolved over many years from a fictional base, thus the decision was taken to rename most places, especially those that have been heavily changed over previous versions, as the road arrangements and topography aren't always directly relatable to any real life places, although they maybe representative of somewhere that inspired them.

Try not to get too hung up tying these fictional places into reality, especially individual streets, but broadly:
  • Colstead is a mixture of Follaton and Shinner's Bridge.
  • Thornford Regis is the name C C Benison gave to the fictionalised Stoke Gabriel in his novels.
  • Palemount is where White Hill was in BOTW2 but is much changed.
  • As Iomex said, Tweenaway is now Middant and Collaton St Mary has kinda merged into that.
  • Ferncombe, Rodwick Down and Stoneley you deduced correctly.
  • Lymequay is hiding away in a corner of the map!

Do note the map is provisional alpha and subject to change; side roads will come and go or be renamed as the character of them evolves (you will note West Beach junction is by South Beach o_O)
@UKDT @0118999 Thank you so so much for the detailed responses!

@UKDT You're right, BotW is fictionalised and is not supposed to be real. It's just because I live in the exact region of BotW that I try to imagine the real life into it haha 😄

Also, I'm really looking forward to the 525! Kingswear and Greenway House sounds absolutely amazing! Been to both places, Kingswear I've been to much much more often though. :)

@0118999

Okay, I understand that. I'll try to not get hung up on that in the future.
Also, about Colstead, that's so awesome!
Funnily enough, I walked past Follaton today, and waited for the 35 gold at Shinner's Bridge (Dartington) to take me back home haha 😄
And the bit about Thornford Regis is also a really nice touch! Never read Benison's novels, or even heard of him for that matter, but still! :D
Also yes, I spotted Lymequay! 😛
Yes, I saw! West beach junction by south beach! 😮

But all jokes aside, I really love BotW and I wish you the best of luck with v3.
Thank you very much for these detailed in-depth answers.
 

LT586

SimJourneys Defunked
Oct 25, 2016
400
I keep trying to make a map myself but give up - one day. This looks good, been a fan of it since posting on the omsi forum.
Hope paintworks for the Masterswitch buses will also accompany this map.